Ladies and gentlemen, Helen Fisher. But some argue that online dating is rife with sexism, racism, and misogyny, and that dating apps ultimately create a culture that prioritizes sex over committed and lasting love. A friend told me this story last night. Maybe opposites attract in a lot of ways. And it's hard to know who you're going to be attracted to in real life, in part because the pictures that we put up of ourselves don't really tell the real truth about us. In fact, they had a few things that they wanted you to know about their experiences on these dating apps.
But -- John Donvan: -- to the question of whether the algorithm is better -- Eric Klinenberg: But -- John Donvan: -- than we are. And that is a lot, especially for a phenomenon that really didn't exist 25 years ago. But that doesn't mean that the typical experience isn't a good one. John Donvan: Thank you, Eric Klinenberg. It's like a bamboo tree of Oriental literature, sways in the breezes of time, but it always springs up again.
I mean, some people aren't suckers, and -- but I think that makes it harder for them to -- to open up to somebody. And definitely, I don't think you would even argue against the fact that communities like the disabled communities -- that would have been shut out before -- are now connecting. I want to know why the con artists from the third world are the most romantic men on dating apps. How do you guys define romance now? In fact, the oldest love letter that I saw in Istanbul was from 4,000 years ago. Many of them are just hanging out for months before they even kiss.
John Donvan: -- set this table this way. Give me a Twitter where people punctuate properly and treat each other with respect, and I will grant you a dating app that brings out people's most caring, loving, and romantic selves. I mean, it -- but again, we're so guarded. Eric Klinenberg: Yeah, just another quick sociological survey. The side arguing against the motion went up 29 percentage points.
You are -- that is a leading date site for anybody who might not know that. It was written in Kunena form on a lump of clay. It's that the smells need to mingle in a way that works, you know? But I will close with this, the drive for romance and love is one of the most powerful brain system the human animal has ever evolved. They often claim to be from Australia or another western country, but travelling or working overseas. In my day, they called on the phone. M8 is based on real-life friend endorsements and introductions that provide a human element to the dating platform, allowing those who are matched to have better insight into potential compatibility and common ground.
Tom Jacques: I -- I actually think that Valentine's Day -- Manoush Zomorodi: Pragmatic romance. And we bring science to it, and we bring technology to it. Often the scammer will pretend to need the money for some sort of personal emergency. Are you searching for your one and only, looking for someone to date casually, or simply wanting to hangout with a new friend? Also getting ahead of yourself. What we're talking about is romance. Oh, look, at -- he's a little bit oh, I don't know. I do an annual study with Match.
Are you thinking, oh my God, this is so straining, especially for women. We're seeing it be tested from a consumer perspective, from a civic perspective, from an economic perspective, and tonight, I think from a romantic perspective. And there's a very simple reason for that, and that is that the things we do on apps are recorded by the companies that make them. If you think you have provided your account details to a scammer, contact your bank or financial institution immediately. John Donvan: -- can you please settle the most important mathematical question to have burdened sages and songwriters for generations. Everybody, we're going to move on.
When I first met my now husband, I just -- like he didn't do anything for me, like at all. And unfortunately, this means it's very hard to settle on the person that we're with. And if it's someone who's never done that, you're more worried. Eric Klinenberg: We don't think so. When you've both liked each other, you can chat freely and get to know the cutie on the other end! In fact, these really aren't even dating sites.
So, my question is, is, how would you say that there's romance when there's all of these people that are constantly being disappointed because there's so much quantity, and every punch left and right to be brought to someone's house to have sex or this or that, all -- John Donvan: Okay. And I didn't know what places to go. In the past, people pulled up in their horse and buggy and wooed at the lunch -- on Sunday lunch. And maybe you're thinking, like, oh my God, if it's so terrible, just don't do it, right? I think romance, the definition of it has changed over time. Now, it is worth nothing that since the advent of the Internet, marriage rates have gone down. John Donvan: Helen, you want to take that? But, so what's -- Tom Jacques: It would be nice if arguments worked that way.
And that's a field that has been looking at mating rituals for as long as anyone can really remember. And I'm going to begin with a story. If lasting love was the goal, the sites would go out of business. Manoush Zomorodi: And tell me if this would spark online romance for you. One of the best points of the app was its unique messaging system, and this is currently in the process of being updated, and although we note some gripes about the effectiveness of this from existing users, it seems worth sticking with it to see how it develops. And Eric's partner is -- ladies and gentlemen, please welcome again Manoush Zomorodi. I was surprised at first because it was extremely soon and she was supposed to be moving.